Yesterday, EphBlog challenged me and other Yalies to defend Yale against Williams and other small liberal arts colleges.昨天, ephblog挑战,我和其他yalies捍卫耶鲁大学对威廉斯和其他小型文科院校。 We stepped up to the plate and demonstrated a lot of Yale’s merits which were previously unknown to a lot of the EphBlog audience; likewise I learned more about some of the advantages of Williams in greater detail.我们加紧向板,显示了很多耶鲁大学的优点,其中以前未知的,以大量的ephblog观众;同样,我学到更多的一些优势,威廉姆斯更详细的。

My final conclusion was that more education and understanding would be better for everyone, since it became clear that both schools were great and had lots to offer and that it was in the best interests of students to find the place that is the best fit for them.我最后得出的结论是,更多的教育和认识,会做得更好,为大家,因为人们清楚地看到两所学校是伟大的和有很多提供和,这是在最好的学生的利益,找到的地方,是最适合他们。 (Also, a lot of David’s troubles seemed to stem from his assumption that Harvard = Yale, a common mistake!) (此外,很多大卫的麻烦似乎干从他的假设=哈佛,耶鲁,一个共同的错误! )

EphBlog is a great community which, as I have written before, convinced me to keep Williams on my college list for much longer than any other small LACs and much longer than really made sense given what I was actually looking for in a school. ephblog是一个伟大的社会,正如我刚才的书面前,我确信保持威廉斯对我的大学名单长得多,比任何其他小lacs ,并远远超过真正意义给予我其实是在寻找在一所学校。 I find myself in a position where I really value a lot of the benefits of smaller liberal arts schools–intimate communities, lots of faculty interaction, and much more–but at the same time have a compelling need for the resources of a larger school.我发现自己在一个不错的地方,我真的很值了很多的好处,规模较小的文科学校体内社区,大量的师生互动,以及更多,但是在同一时间内有一个令人信服的需要的资源,一个更大的学校。 That’s why I was especially drawn to Yale–I thought it would help me bridge the divide between large and small schools, something of a happy compromise.这就是为什么我特别提请耶鲁-我认为这将有助于我大桥之间的鸿沟或大或小的学校,一些有一个愉快的妥协。

So, in the spirit of promoting discussion and communication, I am going to start a series where I discuss some of what Yale has to offer specifically compared to smaller schools, and how it compensates for some of its potential shortcomings in relation to them.所以,在精神,促进讨论和沟通,我要开始了一系列我讨论一些什么样的耶鲁大学已提供具体相比,规模较小的学校,以及它如何弥补它的一些潜在的缺陷有关。 Consider this part one, the introduction.考虑这部分一,导言。 Below is the first part of the original post that I wrote in response to David and others at EphBlog; it wasn’t completed and would have been very, very long but you can see the complete discussion at EphBlog.以下是第一部分的原职,我曾在回应大卫和其他ephblog ;那是未完成,并会已非常,非常长,但你可以看到完整的讨论ephblog 。

The second post / first real post is available here:第二邮政/第一次真正的后可在这里: Yale vs. Small Liberal Arts Colleges: part 2 (Money Matters) 耶鲁大学与小文科高校:第2部分(金钱事项)

David Kane of EphBlog大卫凯恩的ephblog threw down the gauntlet投掷下来挑战 yesterday, insisting that Williams is better than Yale.昨天坚持认为,威廉斯是优于耶鲁大学。 David says that of the “scores of students that were accepted at both Yale and Williams” a majority of those choosing Yale are making a mistake, and that “most of them would be better off if they chose Williams.” Are students as misinformed as David thinks about what life is like at Yale vs. an excellent, small liberal arts school like Williams?大卫说,对“分数的学生被接受,在耶鲁大学和威廉姆斯”大多数人选择耶鲁大学作出了错误,并指出“他们大多会做得更好,如果他们选择了威廉姆斯。 ”学生的错误作为大卫认为,什么人生就像在耶鲁大学与一个很好的,小文科学校一样,威廉姆斯? How does Yale compare when looking at the advantages and disadvantages of its size and institutional character?如何耶鲁大学比较时,研究的优缺点,其规模和体制性质的呢?

I am not as quick to David to insist that any school–be it Yale, or anywhere else–is necessarily better for a given student.我不是作为快速大卫坚持认为,任何学校,无论是耶鲁大学,或其他地方-一定是更好地为给学生。 It’s very important to consider which school is the best fit for a specific individual, and I think that approaching any one applying or matriculating population as homogeneous enough to just be relocated and have across the board better experiences is naive or worse.这是非常重要的考虑,学校是最适合特定的个人,我认为接近任何一个申请或matriculating人口的均质足够刚刚搬迁,并已在整个董事会更好的经验,是幼稚的,甚至更糟糕。 It smacks of the higher education marketing attitudes that I try so hard to attack here on my blog.它之嫌高等教育营销的态度,我尝试,使难攻这里开始对我的博客。 I will do my best to demonstrate in this post ways in which for many–not necessarily all but many–a school like Yale can offer more than a small liberal arts college (like Williams) could.我会尽我所能证明,在这个职位的方法,使许多-不一定所有,但很多-一所学校一样,耶鲁大学可以提供多一个小自由艺术学院(如威廉姆斯)可能。 I will aim to deconstruct the claims made by David against Yale and also to a certain extent his我会的目的,以解构所提出的要求大卫对耶鲁大学也一定程度上他 criticism of Harvard批评哈佛 where it overlaps.而重叠。 I am not trying to directly respond to the baiting (trolling?) of some Williams folks–just responding more in general, comparing Yale (FAIRLY) to small liberal arts colleges.我不是要直接回应市民的诱( trolling ? )一些威廉斯的乡亲,只要响应更在一般情况比较,耶鲁大学(相当) ,以小文科院校。

UPDATE: The debate at EphBlog seems to have been largely resolved, obviating much of the need for this post. 更新:辩论ephblog似乎已在很大程度上得到解决,避免了许多这方面的需要后。 David Kane, after extensive discussion, revised his original position based on a newfound understanding of life at Yale.大卫凯恩,经过广泛讨论,修改他原来的立场的基础上,新发现的认识,生活在耶鲁。

I stand corrected!我站在更正! My mistake was to assume that the Yale I did not know was similar to the Harvard that I know so well.我的错误是以为耶鲁大学我不知道类似哈佛,我知道这么好。 It isn’t, at least in terms of average class size and faculty interaction.这不是,至少在条款每班平均人数和师生互动。 My mistake.我的错误。 And thanks to Sam/Anna/DHD/Yalie for the education.和感谢山姆/安娜/ dhd / yalie为教育。

Conclusions:结论:

1) If you are choosing between Yale and Harvard, choose Yale. 1 )如果您是选择之间的耶鲁大学和哈佛大学,耶鲁大学选择。 You will be happier and get a better education.你会更快乐,并得到较好的教育。

2) I agree with Rory that Williams still provides more of the sort of faculty interaction that is the meat of a good undergraduate education then Yale does. 2 )我同意选手威廉姆斯仍然提供了更多的这类学院的互动,这是肉,一个良好的本科教育,然后耶鲁是否。 But if Yale students really average two faculty-led seminars per semester, then the difference is much smaller than I ever imagined.但如果耶鲁大学的学生真的平均两系为主导的研讨会,每学期,然后不同的是少得多,比我想象的。 Kudos to Yale!声望到耶鲁大学!

3) I agree with current eph that we really need to know about class sizes. 3 )我同意目前的弗说,我们真的需要知道,每班学生人数。 But, my main assumption was wrong, so I’ll save the detailed debate for another day.但是,我的主要假设是错误的,所以我将储存的详细辩论,另一天。

4) Time for Williams to step up! 4 )时间为威廉姆斯加紧! Besides此外 ending all lectures结束所有讲座 , we need to increase the number of tutorials, decrease the size of other classes, and so on. ,我们需要增加的数目教程,缩小尺寸的其他班级,等等。

I thank our friends from Yale for participating in this interesting discussion.我感谢我们的朋友从耶鲁大学为参加本次有趣的讨论。 If any find themselves in Cambridge, lunch is on me.如有发现自己在剑桥,午餐是我。

What follows are the remains of my post responding to David and others–I will salvage more of it and turn it into a post about Yale vs. Small Liberal Arts Colleges in general.以下是仍然是我的回应后,朱和其他人-我会挽救更多的资讯科技及把它变成一个职位约耶鲁大学与小文科高校的一般问题。 David, Anna and I will see you when I’m back in Boston when school gets out ; )国宝,安娜和我会看到你当我回到在波士顿时,学校的失控; )

Aside: In a National Bureau of Economic Research study on revealed preference for college admissions, showing a weighting of colleges based on how likely high-achieving applicants were likely to choose a given college given an array of other options, Yale ranks 2nd while Williams ranks 18th (预留:在一个国家经济研究局的研究显示性偏好,为大学入学,呈现出的比重,高校的基础上有多大的可能性高,实现申请人有可能选择某一高校给予一系列其他的选项,耶鲁大学排名第二,而威廉姆斯的行列第十八( Paper is from 2004 and you should read it本文是从2004年起,你应该阅读 ). ) 。 Increasing selectivity may have changed things slightly overall since then, but it gives us a reasonable baseline understanding of how likely someone is to go to Yale over other schools.越来越多的选择性可能已经发生变化的东西,轻微的整体自那时起,但它给我们一个合理的基准了解如何可能有人是去耶鲁超过其他学校。 Specific data for Yale vs. small LACs is available elsewhere, but I just want to establish that in general, people are in most cases highly drawn to Yale over other schools.具体数据为耶鲁大学与小lacs是可用的其他地方,但我只想建立时表示,一般而言,人大多数情况下,高度提请耶鲁超过其他学校。 This was given in the discussion, just wanted to provide data for it quantitatively for our hypothetical high-achieving student group.这是由于在讨论中,只是想提供的数据,它在数量上为我们的假设性高,实现学生组。

The one other point I just want to frame here is the nature of this debate.该另一点,我只想在此框架的性质是本次辩论。 It is NOT about whether college X is better than college Y for reasons ABC–that is College Confidential talk, that’s not what I want to address.问题不在于是否学院x是优于高校y的原因,美国广播公司-这是学院的机密谈话,这不是什么我要地址。 It’s not constructive.这不是建设性的。 What is the case is that one college may be better suited to certain individuals, pursuits, or fields of study.什么该案例是一所高校,可能更适合于某些个人,追求,或研究领域。 I will try to talk about both my own reasons for coming to Yale, typical reasons, and instances where Yale might not be the best choice compared to say Williams, Amherst, Wesleyan, Haverford, Swarthmore, etc. On to the comparisons..我会尝试谈谈两个我自己的理由来耶鲁,典型的原因,某些情况下,耶鲁大学未必是最佳的选择相比,威廉姆斯说,阿姆赫斯特,卫斯理大学,哈弗福德,斯瓦尔特摩尔学院等,以比较..

Let’s start with academics. David Kane insists that the quality of education can be measured based on how much direct tenured faculty interaction there is for a student over his/her career. 让我们先与学者。大卫凯恩坚持认为,教育质量可以衡量的基础上有多大的直接终身教职的互动有一名学生超过他/她的职业生涯。 He breaks this down into three points.他休息,这可分为三点。

  1. How many professors know by name the typical student?有多少教授知道按姓名典型的学生呢? By “professors,” I mean tenured or tenure track faculty. “教授, ”我的意思是终生或任期内的轨道学院。 I think that, for the average first year at Williams, this is at least 4 if not 6.我认为,对于一般的第一年,在威廉斯,这是至少4如果不是6 。 At Yale, I predict 1 or 2.在耶鲁,我预测1或2 。
  2. How much written feedback does the typical student receive on his papers from professors?有多大的书面反馈意见是否典型的学生收到他的论文的教授? At Williams, this must be in the thousands of words.在威廉斯,这必须在千字。 At Yale, very little.在耶鲁,非常少。 Most/all of the written feedback is from poorly-paid and harried graduate students.最/所有的书面反馈意见是由不善的高薪和harried研究生。 Some is from lecturers and adjuncts of various sorts.有些是由讲师和辅助各种。 I bet Sam has received written feedback from no more than two professors in his first year.我敢打赌,山姆已收到书面反馈意见,没有两个以上的教授在他的第一年。
  3. How much one-on-one conversation does the typical student have with professors?多少一对一的谈话是否有典型的学生与教授? At Williams, this varies dramatically by student and does depend on how often you seek out faculty members outside of class.在威廉斯,这显着不同,由学生及是否取决于如何,往往你寻求教师们课堂之外。 The same is true at Yale.同样如此,在耶鲁。 But the average Eph gets around 10 times more direct interaction with faculty.但平均弗获得约10倍,更直接的互动与学院。 The average Williams student in a single tutorial exchanges more words with that one professor in a semester than Sam Jackson will exchange with all his professors put together over the course of four years.平均威廉斯的学生在一个单一的补习社的交流,更多的话,与一位教授在一学期比萨姆杰克逊将交换与他的所有教授放在一起比,当然四年。

The market failure is that the typical high school student has no idea about this reality.市场失灵是典型的高中学生已不知道这个现实。 She thinks that her interactions with professors at Yale would be, more or less, just like her interactions with professors at Williams, the only difference being that the Williams professors assign the books written by the Yale professors.她认为她的相互作用与教授在耶鲁会,更多或更少,就像她的互动,与教授威廉斯,唯一不同的就是威廉姆斯教授指派书,由耶鲁大学教授。 If students really knew what they were getting, more would choose Williams.如果学生真正知道他们所获得,更会选择威廉斯。

Re: 1.重新: 1 。 How many professors know Yalies’ names?有多少教授知道yalies '的名字呢? I have taken 9 courses this year, 3 lectures last term.我已采取9课程,今年3月的讲座上一届。 Anna Ershova answers for herself:安娜ershova答案,为自己:

I took 4 classes last term and I am taking 5 classes this term; since I took German both terms with the same professor, there are only 8 professors total.我曾4班,上一届和我5班这个名词;以来,我接任德国这两个词具有相同教授,有只有8教授总。 Out of these 8 classes, 4 are lectures (by the way, I could have had more seminars, but chose to attend these truly amazing lectures instead).出于这些8班, 4个讲座(顺便说一下,我可以有更多的研讨会,但选择参加这些真正了不起的讲座,而非) 。 Three of my professors in these lecture classes *know* my name and *know* who I am (not just what my name is, but where I am from and what my academic interests are; furthermore, they say Hi when I run into them on the street). 3我的教授在这些讲座班* *知道我的名字和* *知道我是谁(不仅是我的名字是,但我在哪里,从什么我的学术利益;此外,他们说,喜当我执行到他们对街) 。

My other 4 classes are seminars and my professors know me really well.我的其他4个班的研讨会和我的教授知道,我真的好。 The professors from last semester sometimes e-mail me personally to let me know if there is something going on/if they came across an article or a book that may pertain to my ethnic background/academic interests.教授从上学期,有时电子邮件我个人,让我知道,如果有一些事情/如果他们碰到的一篇文章或一本书,可能涉及到我的种族背景/学术利益。 For instance, I just received an e-mail from my Politics of South and North Korea seminar from last term informing me there was an event coming up that is related to the topic of my final paper.举例来说,我刚刚收到一封电子邮件,从我的政治韩国和朝鲜的研讨会由上一届的通知我有一个事件来这是涉及到的话题我的最后文件。