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Yesterday, EphBlog challenged me and other Yalies to defend Yale against Williams and other small liberal arts colleges.昨天, ephblog挑戰,我和其他yalies捍衛耶魯大學對威廉斯和其他小型文科院校。 We stepped up to the plate and demonstrated a lot of Yale’s merits which were previously unknown to a lot of the EphBlog audience; likewise I learned more about some of the advantages of Williams in greater detail.我們加緊向板,顯示了很多耶魯大學的優點,其中以前未知的,以大量的ephblog觀眾;同樣,我學到更多的一些優勢,威廉姆斯更詳細的。
My final conclusion was that more education and understanding would be better for everyone, since it became clear that both schools were great and had lots to offer and that it was in the best interests of students to find the place that is the best fit for them.我最後得出的結論是,更多的教育和認識,會做得更好,為大家,因為人們清楚地看到兩所學校是偉大的和有很多提供和,這是在最好的學生的利益,找到的地方,是最適合他們。 (Also, a lot of David’s troubles seemed to stem from his assumption that Harvard = Yale, a common mistake!) (此外,很多大衛的麻煩似乎幹從他的假設=哈佛,耶魯,一個共同的錯誤! )
EphBlog is a great community which, as I have written before, convinced me to keep Williams on my college list for much longer than any other small LACs and much longer than really made sense given what I was actually looking for in a school. ephblog是一個偉大的社會,正如我剛才的書面前,我確信保持威廉斯對我的大學名單長得多,比任何其他小lacs ,並遠遠超過真正意義給予我其實是在尋找在一所學校。 I find myself in a position where I really value a lot of the benefits of smaller liberal arts schools–intimate communities, lots of faculty interaction, and much more–but at the same time have a compelling need for the resources of a larger school.我發現自己在一個不錯的地方,我真的很值了很多的好處,較小的文科學校體內社區,大量的師生互動,以及更多,但是在同一時間內有一個令人信服的需要的資源,一個更大的學校。 That’s why I was especially drawn to Yale–I thought it would help me bridge the divide between large and small schools, something of a happy compromise.這就是為什麼我特別提請耶魯-我認為這將有助於我大橋之間的鴻溝或大或小的學校,一些有一個愉快的妥協。
So, in the spirit of promoting discussion and communication, I am going to start a series where I discuss some of what Yale has to offer specifically compared to smaller schools, and how it compensates for some of its potential shortcomings in relation to them.所以,在精神,促進討論和溝通,我要開始了一系列我討論一些什麼樣的耶魯大學已提供具體相比,規模較小的學校,以及它如何彌補它的一些潛在的缺陷有關。 Consider this part one, the introduction.考慮這一部分一,導言。 Below is the first part of the original post that I wrote in response to David and others at EphBlog; it wasn’t completed and would have been very, very long but you can see the complete discussion at EphBlog.以下是第一部分的原職,我曾在回應大衛和其他ephblog ,這是未完成,並會已非常,非常長,但你可以看到,完整的討論ephblog 。
The second post / first real post is available here:第二郵政/第一次真正的後可在這裡: Yale vs. Small Liberal Arts Colleges: part 2 (Money Matters) 耶魯大學與小文科高校:第2部分(金錢事項)
David Kane of EphBlog大衛凱恩的ephblog threw down the gauntlet投擲下來挑戰 yesterday, insisting that Williams is better than Yale.昨天堅持認為,威廉斯是優於耶魯大學。 David says that of the “scores of students that were accepted at both Yale and Williams” a majority of those choosing Yale are making a mistake, and that “most of them would be better off if they chose Williams.” Are students as misinformed as David thinks about what life is like at Yale vs. an excellent, small liberal arts school like Williams?大衛說,對“分數的學生被接受,在耶魯大學和威廉姆斯”大多數人選擇耶魯大學作出了錯誤,並指出“他們大多會做得更好,如果他們選擇了威廉姆斯。 ”學生的錯誤作為大衛認為,什麼人生就像在耶魯大學與一個很好的,小文科學校一樣,威廉姆斯? How does Yale compare when looking at the advantages and disadvantages of its size and institutional character?如何耶魯大學比較時,研究的優缺點,其規模和體制性質的呢?
I am not as quick to David to insist that any school–be it Yale, or anywhere else–is necessarily better for a given student.我不是作為快速大衛堅持認為,任何學校,無論是耶魯大學,或其他地方-一定是更好地為給學生。 It’s very important to consider which school is the best fit for a specific individual, and I think that approaching any one applying or matriculating population as homogeneous enough to just be relocated and have across the board better experiences is naive or worse.這是非常重要的考慮,學校是最適合特定的個人,我認為接近任何一個申請或matriculating人口的均質足夠剛剛搬遷,並已在整個董事會更好的經驗,是幼稚的,甚至更糟糕。 It smacks of the higher education marketing attitudes that I try so hard to attack here on my blog.它之嫌高等教育營銷的態度,我嘗試,使難攻這裡開始對我的博客。 I will do my best to demonstrate in this post ways in which for many–not necessarily all but many–a school like Yale can offer more than a small liberal arts college (like Williams) could.我會盡我所能證明,在這個職位的方法,使許多-不一定所有,但很多-一所學校一樣,耶魯大學可以提供多一個小自由藝術學院(如威廉姆斯)可能。 I will aim to deconstruct the claims made by David against Yale and also to a certain extent his我會的目的,以解構所提出的要求大衛對耶魯大學也一定程度上他 criticism of Harvard批評哈佛 where it overlaps.而重疊。 I am not trying to directly respond to the baiting (trolling?) of some Williams folks–just responding more in general, comparing Yale (FAIRLY) to small liberal arts colleges.我不是要直接回應市民的誘( trolling ? )一些威廉斯的鄉親,只要響應更在一般情況比較,耶魯大學(相當) ,以小文科院校。
UPDATE: The debate at EphBlog seems to have been largely resolved, obviating much of the need for this post. 更新:辯論ephblog似乎已在很大程度上得到解決,避免了許多這方面的需要後。 David Kane, after extensive discussion, revised his original position based on a newfound understanding of life at Yale.大衛凱恩,經過廣泛討論,修改他原來的立場的基礎上,新發現的認識,生活在耶魯。
I stand corrected!我站在更正! My mistake was to assume that the Yale I did not know was similar to the Harvard that I know so well.我的錯誤是以為耶魯大學我不知道類似哈佛,我知道這麼好。 It isn’t, at least in terms of average class size and faculty interaction.這不是,至少在條款每班平均人數和師生互動。 My mistake.我的錯誤。 And thanks to Sam/Anna/DHD/Yalie for the education.和感謝山姆/安娜/ dhd / yalie為教育。
Conclusions:結論:
1) If you are choosing between Yale and Harvard, choose Yale. 1 )如果您是選擇之間的耶魯大學和哈佛大學,耶魯大學選擇。 You will be happier and get a better education.你會更快樂,並得到較好的教育。
2) I agree with Rory that Williams still provides more of the sort of faculty interaction that is the meat of a good undergraduate education then Yale does. 2 )我同意選手威廉姆斯仍然提供了更多的這類學院的互動,這是肉,一個良好的本科教育,然後耶魯是否。 But if Yale students really average two faculty-led seminars per semester, then the difference is much smaller than I ever imagined.但如果耶魯大學的學生真的平均兩系為主導的研討會,每學期,然後不同的是少得多,比我想像的。 Kudos to Yale!聲望到耶魯大學!
3) I agree with current eph that we really need to know about class sizes. 3 )我同意目前的弗說,我們真的需要知道,每班學生人數。 But, my main assumption was wrong, so I’ll save the detailed debate for another day.但是,我的主要假設是錯誤的,所以我將儲存的詳細辯論,另一天。
4) Time for Williams to step up! 4 )時間為威廉姆斯加緊! Besides此外 ending all lectures結束所有講座 , we need to increase the number of tutorials, decrease the size of other classes, and so on. ,我們需要增加的數目教程,縮小尺寸的其他班級,等等。
I thank our friends from Yale for participating in this interesting discussion.我感謝我們的朋友從耶魯大學為參加本次有趣的討論。 If any find themselves in Cambridge, lunch is on me.如有發現自己在劍橋,午餐是我。
What follows are the remains of my post responding to David and others–I will salvage more of it and turn it into a post about Yale vs. Small Liberal Arts Colleges in general.以下是仍然是我的回應後,朱和其他人-我會挽救更多的資訊科技及把它變成一個職位約耶魯大學與小文科高校的一般問題。 David, Anna and I will see you when I’m back in Boston when school gets out ; )國寶,安娜和我會看到你當我回到在波士頓時,學校的失控; )
Aside: In a National Bureau of Economic Research study on revealed preference for college admissions, showing a weighting of colleges based on how likely high-achieving applicants were likely to choose a given college given an array of other options, Yale ranks 2nd while Williams ranks 18th (預留:在一個國家經濟研究局的研究顯示性偏好,為大學入學,呈現出的比重,高校的基礎上有多大的可能性高,實現申請人有可能選擇某一高校給予一系列其他的選項,耶魯大學排名第二,而威廉姆斯的行列第十八( Paper is from 2004 and you should read it本文是從2004年起,你應該閱讀 ). ) 。 Increasing selectivity may have changed things slightly overall since then, but it gives us a reasonable baseline understanding of how likely someone is to go to Yale over other schools.越來越多的選擇性可能已經發生變化的東西,輕微的整體自那時起,但它給我們一個合理的基準了解如何可能有人是去耶魯超過其他學校。 Specific data for Yale vs. small LACs is available elsewhere, but I just want to establish that in general, people are in most cases highly drawn to Yale over other schools.具體數據為耶魯大學與小lacs是可用的其他地方,但我只想建立時表示,一般而言,人在大多數情況下,高度提請耶魯超過其他學校。 This was given in the discussion, just wanted to provide data for it quantitatively for our hypothetical high-achieving student group.這是由於在討論中,只是想提供的數據,它在數量上為我們的假設性高,實現學生組。
The one other point I just want to frame here is the nature of this debate.該另一點,我只想在此框架的性質是本次辯論。 It is NOT about whether college X is better than college Y for reasons ABC–that is College Confidential talk, that’s not what I want to address.問題不在於是否學院x是優於高校y的原因,美國廣播公司-這是學院的機密談話,這不是什麼我要地址。 It’s not constructive.這不是建設性的。 What is the case is that one college may be better suited to certain individuals, pursuits, or fields of study.什麼是該案例是一所高校,可能更適合於某些個人,追求,或研究領域。 I will try to talk about both my own reasons for coming to Yale, typical reasons, and instances where Yale might not be the best choice compared to say Williams, Amherst, Wesleyan, Haverford, Swarthmore, etc. On to the comparisons..我會嘗試談談兩個我自己的理由來耶魯,典型的原因,某些情況下,耶魯大學未必是最佳的選擇相比,威廉姆斯說,阿姆赫斯特,衛斯理大學,哈弗福德,斯瓦爾特摩爾學院等,以比較..
Let’s start with academics. David Kane insists that the quality of education can be measured based on how much direct tenured faculty interaction there is for a student over his/her career. 讓我們先與學者。國寶盧卡斯肯恩堅持認為,教育質量可以衡量的基礎上有多大的直接終身教職的互動有一名學生超過他/她的職業生涯。 He breaks this down into three points.他休息,這可分為三點。
- How many professors know by name the typical student?有多少教授知道按姓名典型的學生呢? By “professors,” I mean tenured or tenure track faculty. “教授, ”我的意思是終生或任期內的軌道學院。 I think that, for the average first year at Williams, this is at least 4 if not 6.我認為,對於一般的第一年,在威廉斯,這是至少4如果不是6 。 At Yale, I predict 1 or 2.在耶魯,我預測1或2 。
- How much written feedback does the typical student receive on his papers from professors?有多大的書面反饋意見是否典型的學生收到他的論文的教授? At Williams, this must be in the thousands of words.在威廉斯,這必須在千字。 At Yale, very little.在耶魯,非常少。 Most/all of the written feedback is from poorly-paid and harried graduate students.最/所有的書面反饋意見是由不善的高薪和harried研究生。 Some is from lecturers and adjuncts of various sorts.有些是由講師和輔助各種。 I bet Sam has received written feedback from no more than two professors in his first year.我敢打賭,山姆已收到書面反饋意見,沒有兩個以上的教授在他的第一年。
- How much one-on-one conversation does the typical student have with professors?多少一對一的談話是否有典型的學生與教授? At Williams, this varies dramatically by student and does depend on how often you seek out faculty members outside of class.在威廉斯,這顯著不同,由學生及是否取決於如何,往往你尋求教師們課堂之外。 The same is true at Yale.同樣如此,在耶魯。 But the average Eph gets around 10 times more direct interaction with faculty.但平均弗獲得約10倍,更直接的互動與學院。 The average Williams student in a single tutorial exchanges more words with that one professor in a semester than Sam Jackson will exchange with all his professors put together over the course of four years.平均威廉斯的學生在一個單一的補習社的交流,更多的話,與一位教授在一學期比薩姆傑克遜將交換與他的所有教授放在一起比,當然四年。
The market failure is that the typical high school student has no idea about this reality.市場失靈是典型的高中學生已不知道這個現實。 She thinks that her interactions with professors at Yale would be, more or less, just like her interactions with professors at Williams, the only difference being that the Williams professors assign the books written by the Yale professors.她認為她的相互作用與教授在耶魯會,更多或更少,就像她的互動,與教授威廉斯,唯一不同的就是威廉姆斯教授指派書,由耶魯大學教授。 If students really knew what they were getting, more would choose Williams.如果學生真正知道他們所獲得,更會選擇威廉斯。
Re: 1.重新: 1 。 How many professors know Yalies’ names?有多少教授知道yalies '的名字呢? I have taken 9 courses this year, 3 lectures last term.我已採取9課程,今年3月的講座上一屆。 Anna Ershova answers for herself:安娜ershova答案,為自己:
I took 4 classes last term and I am taking 5 classes this term; since I took German both terms with the same professor, there are only 8 professors total.我曾4班,上一屆和我5班這個名詞;以來,我接任德國這兩個詞具有相同教授,有只有8教授總。 Out of these 8 classes, 4 are lectures (by the way, I could have had more seminars, but chose to attend these truly amazing lectures instead).出於這些8班, 4個講座(順便說一下,我可以有更多的研討會,但選擇參加這些真正了不起的講座,而非) 。 Three of my professors in these lecture classes *know* my name and *know* who I am (not just what my name is, but where I am from and what my academic interests are; furthermore, they say Hi when I run into them on the street). 3我的教授在這些講座班* *知道我的名字和* *知道我是誰(不僅是我的名字是,但我在哪裡,從什麼我的學術利益;此外,他們說,喜當我執行到他們對街) 。
My other 4 classes are seminars and my professors know me really well.我的其他4個班的研討會和我的教授知道,我真的好。 The professors from last semester sometimes e-mail me personally to let me know if there is something going on/if they came across an article or a book that may pertain to my ethnic background/academic interests.教授從上學期,有時電子郵件我個人,讓我知道,如果有一些事情/如果他們遇到了一篇文章或一本書,可能涉及到我的種族背景/學術利益。 For instance, I just received an e-mail from my Politics of South and North Korea seminar from last term informing me there was an event coming up that is related to the topic of my final paper.舉例來說,我剛剛收到一封電子郵件,從我的政治韓國和朝鮮的研討會由上一屆的通知我有一個事件來這是涉及到的話題我的最後文件。
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